The City of Avon Lake, Ohio has had a long standing relationship working with developers and HOS's alike. Dealing with the inspection and long term maintenance of stormwater BMP's is important. Working with the developers to design and construct these BMP's in a way that the HOA's can reasonably maintain them is something you learn from experience. Mr. Reitz has been with the City of Avon Lake for over 30 years. As a rapidly developing Cleveland suburb he had experienced both the good and bad aspects of stormwater BMP's. This presentation will describe the lessons learned from dealing with both developers at during the planning stages of a development to dealing with HOA's to inform them of their responsibilities. This presentation will discuss the good bad and ugly sides of homeowners associations and developers alike.